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[SaresITA89]

One question:

If the game is P2P, and I have 2 characters, I have to pay two different canons? Or just the entry in the gaming world?

my friend the game is not p2p, it's b2p we always knew that!

you buy the ticket for your character (or more than 1 if you want more characters in the same account) and you leave the newbie island and play the real game forever free

wiki <<probably b2b>>, and also bobik he said.


I remind you that the fundraising on indiegogo is failed.

B2P, P2P, now all the doors are open.

P.S.
The causal PK must be stopped, otherwise we will have another quake-arena.

Why do not you just do a single character?

Dear bobik,
tax revenue of your game as you see fit, the important thing that you do not do a pay2WIN.

[AugustusIV]

Just wanted to use my first post to support the concept of paying to transfer. I would like to see it a little cheaper, but will probably pay regardless if the product is worth it.

Very excited to support this project!

[Kuroi]

B2P, P2P, now all the doors are open.

http://lifeisfeudal.com/FAQ

I do encourage the idea of a fee to limit the botting, altspamming and what else abuse there may be. Alas, the second fee is way too steep for a simple alt character.

The fee should in my opinion be more of an an inconvenience than an actual cost.

You've already bought the game, why would you want to buy it again?

you're not buying the "game", you're buying a ticket for your/that character

[Thokan]

I do encourage the idea of a fee to limit the botting, altspamming and what else abuse there may be. Alas, the second fee is way too steep for a simple alt character.

The fee should in my opinion be more of an an inconvenience than an actual cost.

You've already bought the game, why would you want to buy it again?

you're not buying the "game", you're buying a ticket for your/that character

The point was that the pricing is so steep it is like you are buying another game.

I am well aware of the system Bobik just presented.

[SaresITA89]

B2P, P2P, now all the doors are open.

http://lifeisfeudal.com/FAQ

FAQ:

Currently we're planning to use combination of b2p (buy to play) and f2p (free to play) models.

[Straya]

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The point was that the pricing is so steep it is like you are buying another game.

I am well aware of the system Bobik just presented.[/quote]


it's only €10 to buy another player slot , that seems fairly low to me compared to a few other game's
and since its EURO in my case its more then $10 for me
and im perfectl fine with that...€10 isnt that hard to get...lol

[Thokan]

The point was that the pricing is so steep it is like you are buying another game.

I am well aware of the system Bobik just presented.

it's only €10 to buy another player slot , that seems fairly low to me compared to a few other game's
and since its EURO in my case its more then $10 for me
and im perfectl fine with that...€10 isnt that hard to get...lol

What would be the drawbacks with having it just £1 or £2? It would still cause the positive effects while at the same time not hindering people, to a great degree, from creating an alt character.

£10 isnt something you spend on a whim, it would make people doubt. Who knows, the revenue might actually be higher in total if people didnt feel as hindered from creating alts.

[Pointfrost]

Hello LiF team,

seems like very good idea / good payment system. If that is all that will be required to pay, than it is OK with me.
Also it will filter many players and THE WORLD will include only good quality once.

Great job, looking forward for alpha release!

[Gladius]

I agree with Thokan.
10€ seems a little too steep.
I too would go with 1€-2€ for a new character that can be used on the main island, if 20€ for the first character have already been spent.

[Kuroi]

we don't even know how much time we'll need to max out our main character... if it will take like a year i'll be more than happy to spend 10 additional euros for another char just cause that means the game is really great and deserves it. moreover i played the whole year for free.

when playing mmorpgs do you usually create a char and the day after you make another one? o_O

£10 isnt something you spend on a whim

euros, not sterlings

[Krevente]

With enough money I could purchase enough characters to own an entire kingdom myself? That is what the one time purchase systems feels like. I pay 20 for the first one and 80 more one time to end up with 9 characters worth of real estate. Am I correct or did I misread something?

[valirius]

I answered: Yes, I am willing to pay for every character, but the price seems too high.

But it's only because I did not see the game and I can not say at all whether it 10 euros. By and large, I feel closer to the dollar, even though I am from Russia. So will be interesting to look equivalent dollar price, for example 8 euros.

The best option I see is this: a completely free starter island and restrictions on trade between the players and build on. So you can see the starting location and try a couple of times to die)) And then have to decide how much I want to pay for it. Every time you try to call the trade window asking "want to buy a game?"

something like that)

[Krevente]

Sorry for the double post but rereading that I get the sense of character versus player. I guess it just gets more expensive per account.

I'm of the subscription based system personally to prevent the crazy rich people from buying up large amounts of land.

[Kuroi]

With enough money I could purchase enough characters to own an entire kingdom myself? That is what the one time purchase systems feels like. I pay 20 for the first one and 80 more one time to end up with 9 characters worth of real estate. Am I correct or did I misread something?

Sorry for the double post but rereading that I get the sense of character versus player. I guess it just gets more expensive per account.

I'm of the subscription based system personally to prevent the crazy rich people from buying up large amounts of land.

i don't understand what you're trying to say lol

[Azerath]

Bobik said: Every player will be able to claim at least 100 in-game cells for free for their personal use which will be protected from any type of damage (including other players’ damage) and decay.

Krevente was worried every character would be able to claim land, meaning one person could set up their own Kingdom of alts.

That isn't the case.

[Thokan]

we don't even know how much time we'll need to max out our main character... if it will take like a year i'll be more than happy to spend 10 additional euros for another char just cause that means the game is really great and deserves it. moreover i played the whole year for free.

when playing mmorpgs do you usually create a char and the day after you make another one? o_O

£10 isnt something you spend on a whim

euros, not sterlings

You would have played your first year for the price of £20. Just like in Guild Wars or any other b2p-model game.

There isnt a standard level system, thus you dont "max out". Moreover you wouldn't create another character to max it out. The whole game is an end game, and thus you would create another character to help in that endeavour when and if the need arises.

The point is still, you have already bought the game. Such a high fee for just another alt creates the negative feeling of buying the game again.

[Kossako]

10 EURO for another character in F2P game is like nothing. In most game when number of characters need to be restricted you pay more each monts per another character.

Even if it will be 20 euro I 'm willing to buy another 2-3 chars to make myself independent. I bet there are people that would be willing to spend that 10 Euro each month just to crate new PK alts.

If it will be lower then some people will be buying alt just to harass other even each day. Couple rich players could harass entire population.

Maybe some better solution would be account stored alignment. So if you gain negative alignment on one char every other char losses some also and it's stored per account, so creating new character will automatically make it evil in your account alignment is low enough.

[Murtag]

Making the choice of being a bandit more important is extremly important imo.

And if you go with 20/10 , then i can almost guarantee that all bandits will have a "good" alt

I would almost prefer a 20/30/40/50 way with a 10 E increase per new alt

[Kdchan]

So, if i have understand correctly, you log-in the first time for free in the noob island, and when you are ready to go to the main world, you have to pay 20 € right?

But what if i delete my main character and create a new one? I need to pay again?
Hope is account based.

If so this is pratically a B2P system and i'm very ok with it.
Why i support B2P? Because of hackers, if you cheat you have to pay and lose something. F2p system in a game like this will be a mess.

So yes, 20 € for 1 character SLOT and you can play free forever is ok.

For developers: put in game the SURNAME please, so if someone is called Jon XYZ, the alt will be called Bam XYZ. This avoid pkers to back blue and spies to join enemy clans, all should be account based even if you make more characters.

[Davee]

This sounds like a good, fair system to me!

However, alt character prices could probably be made a little bit lower in my opinion (just to around 7 Euro), for reasons that have already been mentioned several times in this thread. This is also assuming there won't be a monthly subscription cost or similar.

[Firestarter]

The first character should be free you should only have to pay fora additional characters.

[Kdchan]

The first character should be free you should only have to pay fora additional characters.

NO, or hackers and multi accounts will be rampant. You have to pay 20 € for the first slot, for every account you made.

20 € as a B2P system is fine and the best system for a sandbox game.

[Enigma]

I agree with the above mentioned, MO gives you one character for free, and after that, you are required to pay 10 dollars for any additional character slots that you wish to have, up to a limit of 4. In my own opinion, if we are going to be charged to obtain the full game, multiple times, i'd rather not pay at all, that's ridiculous, it's like paying for the game several times over? Just at a discounted price after the first purchase.

[Thokan]

Making the choice of being a bandit more important is extremly important imo.

And if you go with 20/10 , then i can almost guarantee that all bandits will have a "good" alt

I would almost prefer a 20/30/40/50 way with a 10 E increase per new alt

I think it is a little bit harsh to pin PKers down economically. There is already a risk for each individual character, and I deem it more than enough.

Do remember that the skillpoint loss is exponential the lower your alignment is. Quite exponential. It seems it will be quite possible to grind murderers skillpoints down to oblivion.

[Kdchan]

Just forget to add, the alignment should be shared between characters on the same account too.
If you are evil your entire "family" will be evil.

[Kuroi]

The first character should be free you should only have to pay fora additional characters.

yeah cause people make game just for fun LOL

I agree with the above mentioned, MO gives you one character for free, and after that, you are required to pay 10 dollars for any additional character slots that you wish to have, up to a limit of 4. In my own opinion, if we are going to be charged to obtain the full game, multiple times, i'd rather not pay at all, that's ridiculous, it's like paying for the game several times over? Just at a discounted price after the first purchase.

MO is pay to play, it has a monthly subscription fee as well

if you don't pay then you get the free trial restrictions and that's not really "the game"

on LiF instead you just buy a character and you play with it forever free in the "real game"...

[Dailato]

This is pretty tough for me, since there is no way the price will change the way players handle their main/alt characters, but it will give players with less spare cash the feeling they're getting less out of the game (and even call of p2w).

What I mean by this is if it CAN be broken, it WILL be broken. If you don't want people running around not caring about their reputation or alignment, they CAN'T have multiple characters OR multiple accounts, no matter the price.
10 or 20 euro is a small price to pay to be able to have 1 "don't give 2 shits" PK-character that can happily slaughter whomever whenever he feels like it, and another "Main" character that you spend your time farming/crafting/socializing/everything else on, that can easily provide gear for your PK-character.

If you want people to care about their reputation, and actually make a choice on being a hardcore ganker or not (meaning there's consequences) there can honestly be only one route: 1 character, 1 account, no exceptions. If they get bored of PK-ing (and there's truly no way to return from -50 alignment) make a new character, by which I mean, delete the old one entirely.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not here to hate on PK-ers, I just want them to have some kind of consequence for being PK-ers, if they can have alts then they're automatically no longer PK-ers, they just have a PK-alt (or main, if you prefer to see it that way).

And yeah that means random pk-ers will (should) be rare. Which, if I recall correctly, is exactly as intended.
So yeah, I guess that's my vote, the price is fine by me, I just don't think the vision of "PK-ers should be rare and have consequences" fits in any way with "We can have alts".

And yes that even goes for if we have an insanely slow leveling system (which has allready been stated, we don't), as once you have your crafting (or w/ever) alt levelled up, you still don't need to give two shits on your PK-character. Here's why:
PK-character dies, gets looted, loses skillpoints etc.

One character: oh shit that's gonna take a while to replace, and I can't trade easily cause of my alignment, so I have to keep a stash around somewhere for extra gear, or steal it from some unsuspecting player despite not having gear to properly attack him with... thug life man.

Multiple Characters: Oh I died, well I guess I'll transfer some gear from my crafter and put this guy back under mentor/training while I play on my 4th PK-character for a while, he's got his skills back up by now right? Time to kill some more bitchez, thug life lol.

I hope I've illustrated my point clearly in this respect.

Yours truly -The Pope

P.S. I voted for option nr. 3, I think 20-30 E for getting character of the newbie island is reasonable, if only because you're not a triple A game and you need people's confidence to ask for any higher than 20-30 E if you're not, which you can gain by asking low price and selling large quantity rather than high price of sales.
When in doubt, lower the price, but don't go below 15 E or people will think game is too cheap to be any good.

P.P.S. new post above me while I was typing, if alignment is ACCOUNT rather than character-bound (same for land-claim) then I could see Alts working just fine. That's a good suggestion tbh.

[En_Dotter]

Since i played cRPG for quite some time i have my view on characters based on this game.
While it is reasonable to pay for every single character it might not be practical. I know i am going to be an archer, but playing single class can become dull and uniform after some time.
I say use the "main" and "alternative" characters system. So with 1st purchase (of 20e as u stated) you would get your main character and also an alternative (alt). Alt char could have some limitations (i dont have anything to offer about this idea but let it float) but would allow you to experience other classes.

But if you want to do the full extent of your "alt" then you would need to pay the other price (10e as stated).

cRPG uses "Skip the fun" character system as well where u start as lvl 30 (out of 36) and can experiment and do the respec when ever you like and test various things but you cannot gain any experience with it. Something like that could be introduced as well (if possible and if it fits the game) with some changes so that the game doesnt "break".

I think 20e for the game (getting a char to the main continent is buying the game right?) is really acceptable. I was expecting more (30e), but since i dont have a lot of money i find 20e quite pleasing.

My poll choice was the last one (for now).

[Kdchan]

yeah cause people make game just for fun LOL

MO is pay to play, it has a monthly subscription fee as well

if you don't pay then you get the free trial restrictions and that's not really "the game"

Well said mate.
20 € then play for free forever is a very cheap price.

[Straya]

I don't undertsand why you woulnd't just pay €10 more for a alt....?

if your making a alt after playing or maxing your main
you Obvioulsy Love the game enough to make another alt? thus u should be willing to pay a petty pay of €10....