Guide for the new armors and regional resources.

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Guide for the new armors and regional resources.

Post by Sharana » 26 Nov 2016, 00:17

There will be many questions about the new system, that's why I decided to write this short guide as I'm quite familiar with it after the MMO tests and conversations with devs. What's introduced now however is more polished version already with the fixes and changes applied based on the provided feedback.

The main things now are that armors are much harder to make and the good armors (veteran ones on 90 skill) will be very very very rare and valuable. Not to mention royal armors - you will have to be the king of pretty big alliance on the MMO to actually get such ones as it will be ridiculously hard and time consuming to make.
The other thing are the regional resources you have the chance to get. For now they are mainly used for armor creating, but other branches will be reworked to take advantage of it as well, weapons are planned to get the same rework already (with parts and harder crafting to make them more valuable).

When you unlock the Armorsmithing you will be able to craft wires only - 1 bar = 2 wires. You will have to craft very significant amount of them (MMO progression speed) to reach 30, but at least that's not a waste like now (leveling with helmets or gloves). On 30 skill the other armor parts will be unlocked and you can use those wires to make chainmail (parts).
At that point you will need Workbench to check the armor recipes and assemble the armor parts into armor piece there. You don't forge them anymore in the Blacksmith shop.
The recipes of tier 1 armors can be seen here:
http://i.imgur.com/Ak5kpbd.jpg

At skill 60 the tier 2 armors are unlocked and that's going to be the main armors - the tier 3 will be very rare and tier 4 (royal) ridiculously rare. The reason is that you need blueprint to "unlock them" (they won't just unlock when you reach 90 skill) and regional resources to craft them.
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And here are the details that make them so rare - the chance to get a blueprint for tier 3 armor (veteran) by crafting tier 2 armor is about 1% (10x bigger then to get weapon/armor part with your name on it). It depends on good/bad luck of course, but you should craft about 100 tier 2 helmets in order to get a blueprint for tier 3 helmet. Then craft about 100 such tier 3 helmets in order to get blueprint for tier 4 (royal) helmet or 10 000 tier 2 helmets + 100 tier 3 on avarage for single royal blueprint. To make it even more fun it should be noted that the blueprints are NOT permanent - they are consumable. You just create the armor part with the selected blueprint and it's gone. So for a single set of tier 3 (veteran) armor you will need to craft about 100 tier 2 sets (individual parts have individual blueprints). To make it even better the regional resources are not easy to get as well - the chance is again 1%. For example you are getting 20 iron per digging action - that means you will mine about 2 000 iron on average in order to get a single dig of 20 regional iron ore which is 1 ingot.


Now about the regional resources in YO. There are 3 regions and the map looks like this (thanks to LetholdusCairnes):
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You have chance to get the regional resources in those parts of the map, the chance is 1% for all (iron/copper ore, boards, sand, soil etc).
If you stack them they will turn in normal unregional resources. You have to accumulate some and smelt from regional ore only to make the respective bars/ingots and forge the needed parts from them.
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Those are only needed for tier 3 (90 skill) and tier 4 (royal on 100).
Clicking the "draw" button will consume 1 thick leather and make it blueprint again that can be learned (or traded). It will disappear from the crafting menu, so this is NOT a way to duplicate blueprints, only a way to get the blueprint back if you've already learned it, but want to trade it for another one from another blacksmith (like helmet for gloves).
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Should also be noted that they've implemented quality caps on metals . Using iron to forge the needed parts will cap the quality of the piece at 60 even if you use 100q metal. To make between 0 and 80 quality steel will be needed and for 0-100 quality Vostaskus steel.
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Post by Azzerhoden » 26 Nov 2016, 22:11

Great write up! :good:
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Post by Schwartzi » 27 Nov 2016, 11:20

Great post!
It is the first helpful guide i read .
But i got one question:
Is the chance to find a blueprint affected by luck?


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Post by Gruber » 30 Nov 2016, 14:33

To make it even more fun it should be noted that the blueprints are NOT permanent - they are consumable. You just create the armor part with the selected blueprint and it's gone.


I dont like the idea that you forget how to craft something, just in order to make tier3/tier4 unique. Feels like Life is grinding, crafting a few 100 peaces of t2 armor to be able to make one single set of t3 armor.
Its not realy realistic, that a skilled blacksmith have to go back to craft lower armor after he made a high armor peace. After he made t3 armor he just forget how to do it.
It needs much much more resources to make a full plate armor than some single plate peaces on leather.
10-20 times the resources as t2, 10 times crafting time, regional resources should be enough.

Dont forget that the chance of losing your armor will be even higher in MMO than in YO. Unless you are sitting in your save base all the time. There are no GM/Admins banning "bad" people, no rules not to kos and so on.


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Post by Sharana » 30 Nov 2016, 14:52

There is no other way to make armors rare. Even 20x the resources is nothing and all big guilds will run around with tier 3 armors.

The tier 3s will be used on very important fights like siege defenses and looting them will be pretty valuable unlike the tier 2 armors or any armor atm in YO.

No one said everyone should wear the best armors. If everyone is running in t2 armor on daily basis that's the armor you consider top (as veteran tier 3 is now). You will need weeks active grind to level 90 for tier 3 armors and a single death will mean days grinding to get it back. So it's easier if the mass armor is 60 (tier 2). Everything else will be extraordinary.
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Post by Gruber » 30 Nov 2016, 15:37

Sharana wrote:There is no other way to make armors rare. Even 20x the resources is nothing and all big guilds will run around with tier 3 armors.


Right and the new way will not change that. It will only slow down the speed until big guilds will have plently of t3 armor.
With the actual poor durability loss, a t3 armor can change its owner way to often until it is worthless.
The only way to make t3/t4 less common is to make it too expensiv in war situations. If you fight every day and you lose your armor every 2-3 fight even if you always win, you will think about spending that much resources twice.

This will not apply to people who fight less or not a single time and those guys will run around with t3 anyway.


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Post by Sharana » 30 Nov 2016, 16:01

It's not the speed - it's about value. If they are so rare they will just sit on store for important battles and no one will give them out to members for daily use (premissions in the new guild system thats on the MMO, can't open every warehouse if the leaders says so). If you can always make them (just more expensive) then they will be suited for daily use as well.

In the MMO wars will be economical endeavor, if that will give you edge on the battlefield and you have the reserves (big guild) you can make the investment and mass produce armors that are 10-20x more expensive then now. Yet if they are rare (chance to get) you won't give them out for daily use. If a guy loots one it's up to him if he wants to wear it or store it, but the guild won't give him one unless there is important battle on the horizon.
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Post by Azzerhoden » 30 Nov 2016, 16:08

Plus, the tier 3 armor, while better than tier 2, does not mean auto-win. Good PvPers will win regardless. That's why I'll be wearing tier 2 exclusively. No need to give away the good stuff!

Seriously though, I don't see tier 3 being worn all that much, and tier 4 not at all. 30 extra points in a skill to wear something that doesn't give that much of an advantage. Unless they change up the resists. Plus, who would make it using iron? For something that rare you will want to use Vos to maximize the durability.
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Post by Stormsblade » 01 Dec 2016, 23:59

I don't believe the extra protections is worth even a fraction of the extra effort required to craft these armors in the MMO, but it's a solid feature. Thanks to Wad for programming it.

Now you just need to balance it :D


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Post by Sharana » 02 Dec 2016, 00:03

Stormsblade wrote:Now you just need to balance it :D

1 guy is doing exactly that - rebalancing the protection levels based on the crafting effort, so that there isn't just 1-2 cost effective armors everyone will wear.
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Post by Azzerhoden » 02 Dec 2016, 00:57

Sharana wrote:
Stormsblade wrote:Now you just need to balance it :D

1 guy is doing exactly that - rebalancing the protection levels based on the crafting effort, so that there isn't just 1-2 cost effective armors everyone will wear.


My request to fix the regular scale armor slashing resists was added to the queue for work. :Yahoo!:

'Cause chain-mail is for peasant footman.
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Post by Xt_hydra » 04 Dec 2016, 15:01

there's no checkbox on the workbench to enable or disable blueprint and also when u right click on a blueprint made by a GM, it give u an action named "learn", so what are you talking about seriously.

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Post by Ubaciosamse » 04 Dec 2016, 16:05

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Post by Sharana » 04 Dec 2016, 16:18

First of all the blueprint checkbox shows up when you learn at least 1 blueprint. Then you can't GM spawn blueprint - it's useless as a poison, because you have to craft them. GM spawned poison has 0 strenght, so it won't work. GM spawned blueprint is simply "empty" - there is no information in it about which recipe you should learn. So just get a blueprint the legitimate way by crafting tier 2 (regular) armors.
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Post by LiFKarl » 05 Dec 2016, 20:29

Sharana wrote:There will be many questions about the new system, that's why I decided to write this short guide as I'm quite familiar with it after the MMO tests and conversations with devs. What's introduced now however is more polished version already with the fixes and changes applied based on the provided feedback.

The main things now are that armors are much harder to make and the good armors (veteran ones on 90 skill) will be very very very rare and valuable. Not to mention royal armors - you will have to be the king of pretty big alliance on the MMO to actually get such ones as it will be ridiculously hard and time consuming to make.
The other thing are the regional resources you have the chance to get. For now they are mainly used for armor creating, but other branches will be reworked to take advantage of it as well, weapons are planned to get the same rework already (with parts and harder crafting to make them more valuable).

When you unlock the Armorsmithing you will be able to craft wires only - 1 bar = 2 wires. You will have to craft very significant amount of them (MMO progression speed) to reach 30, but at least that's not a waste like now (leveling with helmets or gloves). On 30 skill the other armor parts will be unlocked and you can use those wires to make chainmail (parts).
At that point you will need Workbench to check the armor recipes and assemble the armor parts into armor piece there. You don't forge them anymore in the Blacksmith shop.
The recipes of tier 1 armors can be seen here:
http://i.imgur.com/Ak5kpbd.jpg

At skill 60 the tier 2 armors are unlocked and that's going to be the main armors - the tier 3 will be very rare and tier 4 (royal) ridiculously rare. The reason is that you need blueprint to "unlock them" (they won't just unlock when you reach 90 skill) and regional resources to craft them.
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And here are the details that make them so rare - the chance to get a blueprint for tier 3 armor (veteran) by crafting tier 2 armor is about 1% (10x bigger then to get weapon/armor part with your name on it). It depends on good/bad luck of course, but you should craft about 100 tier 2 helmets in order to get a blueprint for tier 3 helmet. Then craft about 100 such tier 3 helmets in order to get blueprint for tier 4 (royal) helmet or 10 000 tier 2 helmets + 100 tier 3 on avarage for single royal blueprint. To make it even more fun it should be noted that the blueprints are NOT permanent - they are consumable. You just create the armor part with the selected blueprint and it's gone. So for a single set of tier 3 (veteran) armor you will need to craft about 100 tier 2 sets (individual parts have individual blueprints). To make it even better the regional resources are not easy to get as well - the chance is again 1%. For example you are getting 20 iron per digging action - that means you will mine about 2 000 iron on average in order to get a single dig of 20 regional iron ore which is 1 ingot.


Now about the regional resources in YO. There are 3 regions - north, middle and south. The border is not so easy to find, but from my exploration it looks something like this:
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You have chance to get the regional resources in those parts of the map, the chance is 1% for all (iron/copper ore, boards, sand, soil etc).
If you stack them they will turn in normal unregional resources. You have to accumulate some and smelt from regional ore only to make the respective bars/ingots and forge the needed parts from them.
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Those are only needed for tier 3 (90 skill) and tier 4 (royal on 100).
Clicking the "draw" button will consume 1 thick leather and make it blueprint again that can be learned (or traded). It will disappear from the crafting menu, so this is NOT a way to duplicate blueprints, only a way to get the blueprint back if you've already learned it, but want to trade it for another one from another blacksmith (like helmet for gloves).
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Should also be noted that they've implemented quality caps on metals . Using iron to forge the needed parts will cap the quality of the piece at 60 even if you use 100q metal. To make between 0 and 80 quality steel will be needed and for 0-100 quality Vostaskus steel.



Excellent summary Sharana. Thanks for this.
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Post by ElHombre » 14 Dec 2016, 01:17

Sharana wrote:Clicking the "draw" button will consume 1 thick leather and make it blueprint again that can be learned (or traded). It will disappear from the crafting menu, so this is NOT a way to duplicate blueprints, only a way to get the blueprint back if you've already learned it, but want to trade it for another one from another blacksmith (like helmet for gloves).



Greetings Sharana.
Aweomse post. I think i don´t understand this phrase. You mean when you have already done a full plate breastplate you can trun it to bluerpint with one thick leather?
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Post by Leth_ » 08 Mar 2017, 20:52

ElHombre wrote:Greetings Sharana.
Aweomse post. I think i don´t understand this phrase. You mean when you have already done a full plate breastplate you can trun it to bluerpint with one thick leather?


It means once you've learned the recipie but not yet crafted, you may redraft the blueprint if, say, you wanted to trade the blueprint away rather than craft the item. It doesnt mean you can infinitely create blueprints though, just that you can get it back after learning it.


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Post by Rick_krause » 10 Apr 2017, 23:47

I dont like the blueprint system either. It's a gamble to get one BP for one use only... IMO a legendary Armorsmith should be able to craft t3 armors at lvl90 and t4 at lvl100.

I agree t3 should be more expenisve since it requires 5 times more Metal. Leather ect.
But its a kind of waste of material to recraft a part like 400 times to get 10 next tier BP'S. on the one hand u wanna avoid massproduction the "good stuff" but massing the "low stuff" isnt the answer.

If u got a legendary smith u got one. And if u can afford him all the stuff to craft the heavy Parts. why not!? Let him craft it! If you want, you can carry the heavy armor and get a bit more protection, but on the other hand more weight. "There is still a crossbow to penetrate such armor"
And if u loose it, shit happens! If you can afford such equipment for an army, you go a real production in your town and u can afford the recraft.

If u dont have the production u should not craft the expensive heavy ones.

The twisting point are the royal t4 armors. My best Idea is to merge the different jobs more activly. iE: u need tailoring to craft noble gloves to craft a royal gauntlets. Maybe some rings, jewels or precious ores? to get some "Kings value"? Maybe u can handle it as a 5 ingredient craft. every techtree does produce a nessesary part and the lvl 100 Armorsmith does craft the royal parts.


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Post by Ilrak » 11 Apr 2017, 00:02

Rick_krause wrote:I dont like the blueprint system either.



I like the direction that you go with your ideas, and it shows that there are better solutions for raising the value of higher armor tiers, instead of the blueprintsystem which i personally don't like verry much.

I had a good discussion with my brother about better and moore role-play supporting armorcrafting systems.

We came to the point, that it would be of great RP and general ingame use, if you would just simply update the armor with every tier step.



As an example: You craft a tier1 plate armor (Iron plate armor), and when you want to get the next tier (Half plate armor), you do not craft a completely new armor. No, instead you just add some new armor parts Like; shoulder protection, a visor for the helmet, moore leg protection etc...

This same process counts from tier2 to tier3 armor (Full plate armor), that you really cover up moore and moore of your body with armor, probably add some more padding from the tailor.

And finnally from tier3 to tier4 (Royal fullplate armor). There you would not add much more protection, but decorate the armor (Which fits perfectly together with the new armor designs where the tier4 armors are just an optically decorated version of the tier3 armors). This would add the feature that you could't simply make the armor alone as a blacksmith. You would have to get decoration parts by other skill trees like; Decorative stiching from the tailor, golden decorations on the iron parts from the jeweller and so on...



It would make the armors just as expensive as they are with the blueprints and additionally bring up more teamwork and RP.

I hope you guys like this ideas as much as i do, so that the developers may hear of it and feature some of this stuff in the game :good: .
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Post by Leth_ » 13 Apr 2017, 19:49

Interesting idea Ilrak. I for one enjoy the new system, as it gives more content to the end game. Also, the new patch made Royal Armor more than just a fashion statement, which is much better imo.

Also, just to go off of Sharana's original post I have an updated version of the region map. (Not all that different, just a bit more accurate)

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Ty Sharana for the amazing breakdown :Bravo:


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Post by Elgar » 18 Apr 2017, 12:53

Sharana wrote:You have chance to get the regional resources in those parts of the map, the chance is 1% for all (iron/copper ore, boards, sand, soil etc).


Great guide, Sharana, thank you !

I have a question about leather. How do you get regional leather ? By killing wild animals, or by killing animals in coops, barns and stables ? Or both ?

I have a lot of leather from my breeding animals, but I never saw a regional leather.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.
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Post by Sharana » 18 Apr 2017, 13:01

Elgar wrote:I have a question about leather. How do you get regional leather ? By killing wild animals, or by killing animals in coops, barns and stables ? Or both ?

I have a lot of leather from my breeding animals, but I never saw a regional leather.


It's only from hunting and skinning animals in the specific region. Really rare stuff, you skin like 100 animals for a single regional leather on average :)
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Post by Sharana » 18 Apr 2017, 13:03

LetholdusCairnes wrote:Also, just to go off of Sharana's original post I have an updated version of the region map. (Not all that different, just a bit more accurate)


Thank you for the accurate map :)
Added it to the 1st post.
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Post by Elgar » 18 Apr 2017, 13:10

Sharana wrote:It's only from hunting and skinning animals in the specific region. Really rare stuff, you skin like 100 animals for a single regional leather on average :)


I was afraid of this answer... :cry: Anyway, thank you ! :)
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Post by Sharana » 18 Apr 2017, 14:21

Elgar wrote:
Sharana wrote:It's only from hunting and skinning animals in the specific region. Really rare stuff, you skin like 100 animals for a single regional leather on average :)


I was afraid of this answer... :cry: Anyway, thank you ! :)


They are aware it's way too rare atm and will implement them not only in hunting a bit later.
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Post by Dragmar » 18 Apr 2017, 14:27

Sharana wrote:
Elgar wrote:
Sharana wrote:It's only from hunting and skinning animals in the specific region. Really rare stuff, you skin like 100 animals for a single regional leather on average :)


I was afraid of this answer... :cry: Anyway, thank you ! :)


They are aware it's way too rare atm and will implement them not only in hunting a bit later.



Would be nice if there was a higher chanse while hunting though, so that hunting does not become obsolete as soon as you have coops/barns/stables running.
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