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[Gimlikohne]

And the grossmesser is still too strong

[Camil199197]

Updated

- added speed modifier
- tweaked damage from weapons
- adjusted the tierlist

[Camil199197]

My tier list istn accurate anymore, because i found out some pretty interesting things. I will update it later and tell you guys (2 Month)

[Hodo]

My tier list istn accurate anymore, because i found out some pretty interesting things. I will update it later and tell you guys (2 Month)

So I have questions on the speed modifier. Is the higher the number the faster or slower?

[Camil199197]

So I have questions on the speed modifier. Is the higher the number the faster or slower?

We must at first difference the two attack types to understand the combat system.

At first there is "thrust" attack. The speed modifier depends on movement speed. You will get 1 speed modifier if you stay still and 7-8 speed modifier while sprinting, If the target stays idle. If both attacker runs into each other, than the speed modifier will add two times 7 and as result we get a speed modifier of 14. (not on streets)

The damage multiple by thrust attacks are very strong and is weapon depended. The most damage multiple effect receives boar spear and makes that weapon very strong. (even OP)

Secondly we have the "swing "attack type. The calcultion is different here. The speed modifier depends on weapon attack speed and body angle movement. You will strike highest hits with the tip of the weapon and sharp body rotation while attacking. With longer weapons you will achieve higher speed modifier by rotating with your body than short weapons.

Its again depended on weapons damage multiple by speed modifier. A 2H axe hits harder than a 1H sword.

I hope i could help you

[Hodo]

It really didnt...
I was just asking what the speed numbers in the comparison meant.

Like the Light Sabre has a speed of 54. Is that faster than a Norse Axe with a speed of 39?

[Rikkarth]

Thanks for your post. Really good work.

[Camil199197]

It really didnt...
I was just asking what the speed numbers in the comparison meant.

Like the Light Sabre has a speed of 54. Is that faster than a Norse Axe with a speed of 39?

Usually but not always, because some weapons have different swing animations. Some weapons attack at 1/2 swing angle animation fast and the other 1/2 swing angle animation slower.

Yes in case of Ligh Sabre vs Nordic Axe is the Light Sabre faster.

[Zohann]

It really didnt...
I was just asking what the speed numbers in the comparison meant.

Like the Light Sabre has a speed of 54. Is that faster than a Norse Axe with a speed of 39?

Speed modifier of the damage does not reflect the speed pf the weapon. You can have a 0 speed modifier with sabre and 30 with broadaxe, though sabre is faster by default.

Speed modifier reflects the bonus to the weapon damage, which is calculated with a proporion of your character physic movement speed, as well as rotating your character model, while swinging. For example, when the lance 10000+dmg bug was still in the game, it happened because the speed modifier cap was infinite, so people were using either a macro or just spam-rotating their character in order to get 500 damage from lance. That also was possible with any weapon, including 2-hand swords and spears and etc.

You also should notice, that right now rotating a character has a momentum. Previously there was no momentum at all, and no speed modifier cap, so, dealing 500 damage with a lance or 100 by default with 2-sword to the plate armor was an easy thing.

[Grimmblut]

My attempt at explaining the speed modifier:

"speed modifier" does NOT mean how much time goes by from the moment you click on the attack button until the moment the weapon hits the target.

"speed modifier" is a measurement of how fast the damaging part of the weapon moved towards the target when it hit and how fast the target moved towards that damaging part at the moment of impact.

Examples:

1)
Player A and B stand still. Player A uses a Great Axe while player B uses a Gross Messer. Both click the attack button at the same time. The Gross Messer hits first, then a moment later, the Great Axe hits, since the Great Axe is the slower weapon. Both attacks have a speed modifier of 0.

2)
Player B stands still. Player A runs in a straight line so that he will pass closely to player B. While passing player B, player A hits Player B with a swinging attack. The speed modifier of that attack is 7 (or maybe another positive value bigger than 0).

Here comes the catch: Would player B in example 2) have made a swinging attack aswell (while standing still) on the running player A, then that attack would have had a positive speed modifier, too, since player A is moving towards the damaging part of player B's weapon.

To keep it simple: A high speed modifier is good. The speed modifier is not a fixed value of a weapon but rather a variable that is affected by the relative speed of the weapon's damaging part and the target towards each other. The speed modifier has nothing to do with how quickly a weapon can attack.

[Hodo]

My attempt at explaining the speed modifier:

"speed modifier" does NOT mean how much time goes by from the moment you click on the attack button until the moment the weapon hits the target.

"speed modifier" is a measurement of how fast the damaging part of the weapon moved towards the target when it hit and how fast the target moved towards that damaging part at the moment of impact.

Examples:

1)
Player A and B stand still. Player A uses a Great Axe while player B uses a Gross Messer. Both click the attack button at the same time. The Gross Messer hits first, then a moment later, the Great Axe hits, since the Great Axe is the slower weapon. Both attacks have a speed modifier of 0.

2)
Player B stands still. Player A runs in a straight line so that he will pass closely to player B. While passing player B, player A hits Player B with a swinging attack. The speed modifier of that attack is 7 (or maybe another positive value bigger than 0).

Here comes the catch: Would player B in example 2) have made a swinging attack aswell (while standing still) on the running player A, then that attack would have had a positive speed modifier, too, since player A is moving towards the damaging part of player B's weapon.

To keep it simple: A high speed modifier is good. The speed modifier is not a fixed value of a weapon but rather a variable that is affected by the relative speed of the weapon's damaging part and the target towards each other. The speed modifier has nothing to do with how quickly a weapon can attack.

Ok that makes sense. So like real life in some ways.
Having done HEMA/ARMA and in the SCA, I can see how that works. I can also see some flaws in the system but they are more from a human body physics standpoint. But ultimately they are minor things.

[Sammy_spam]

Appreciate all the work that went into this, needs some balancing to be done on a few of these to make them even worth considering.

[DemonianAzeroth]

Great testing! I have been meaning to do this.

[NinjaWeeh]

Is this post still updated with Lif MMO ?

[Hodo]

Is this post still updated with Lif MMO ?

Not really.

Half of the weapons got buffed or nerfed since this list. And all you have to do to see what the weapon does damage wise is just make one now.

Bows, crossbows and other ranged weapons wont show you their damage because it is dependent on a couple of factors.

1- Quality of ammunition
2- Target relative motion (closing or moving away)
3- length of draw before fire.

[Mingi.kim]

Great information but it is outdated now. Cab we please have updated information? Any new updated post I missed??

[Valverrin]

Bump. Is there any updated information on weapons? Would be great if someone experienced made at least few comments on current weapon balance. Like is boar spear still op, how’s gross messer, are two handed weapons any good now etc.

Also I have additional question. Read somewhere that Having STRx2 of STR required to wield a weapon is really useful. Like two handed weapons then consume less stamina, swing faster etc. Is this statement correct now? If yes, does it work similar for both 1h, 2h and Spears? If no, then is minimum STR required for your main weapon is all you need?

Please, feel free to share your thoughts on the subject even if you don’t know the answers. Thanks in advance.

[Hodo]

All of the weapons stats are now in game... just make them and look.

The messier is still a very powerful sword. But like all weapons there are pros and cons. And some of them are more depending on the users preference than the weapon itself.

Like I like the war axe over the nordic axe... but others like the nordic axe.

[Suggett66]

And how exactly is the morning star trash? Tower shield and morningstar is a stunning combo

[Peegee77]

Bows, crossbows and other ranged weapons wont show you their damage because it is dependent on a couple of factors.

...
3- length of draw before fire.

With sling, throwing knife and simple bow I am seeing no difference at all in damage as a result of draw time. The range is greater if you draw for longer bur does exactly the same damage. This seems crazy, because the reason that it travels further is the extra velocity, which should also result in more damage (range being equal)> Intended or bug?

[Neverlamer7]

Any updates?