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Foreword

Once again, the author was unable to adhere to the highly comprehensible and important rule no. 3 "Naming and Shaming" of the official LiF forum. The author deeply regrets this and promises that one day he will read the set of rules and adhere to them according to his literary abilities.

The open letter of the Askanians was now revised by the author to comply with the rules. All names of guilds, factions, groups, alliances, and virtual characters, even if the latter are not mentioned at all, have been replaced by synonyms.

Explanation of synonyms

Bloody Pain (BP)
One of the two grand alliances, which is located in the north-west of the sandbox. Bloody Pain Alliance is at global war with United Siberian Host Alliance.

United Siberian Host (USH)
The other grand alliance, scattered widely in the sandbox. United Siberian Host Alliance is, of course, at global war with Bloody Pain Alliance.

Ducks Are Cooked (DAC)
The declared enemy of the Askanian Kingdom, which can not expect forgiveness or forbearance.

Roasted Ducks
The central guild within the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC).

(Possible names similar to existing organizations in LiF:MMO are "not intended" by the author. As a precaution, the author points out that for unforeseeable reasons complaints due to rule no. 3 could show up again and therefore the author apologizes in advance to the forum administrators for the inconvenience.)



Dear friends,

concerning the current political developments in LiF:MMO, the Askanian Kingdom is morally committed to drawing attention to some very dangerous developments within the game, which may harm the entire LiF:MMO community and, in particular, the further influx of new players and thus the entire success of the promising LiF:MMO project. Through this open letter to the entire LiF:MMO community, the developers of LiF:MMO and in particular to the already existing grand alliances Bloody Pain (BP) and United Siberian Host (USH), we would like to obtain a rethink of the current, very one-sided political developments. Otherwise, the world of LiF:MMO will soon be dominated by only a few major powers and their wars. From this point of view, the basic idea of a great medieval world with numerous kingdoms, many cities and villages, an active global trading system and a great world, which has been animated by players, is massively counteracted.

The basic idea of Askanians

The community of Askanians, founded in October 2015, had from the beginning the firm goal of starting as an independent kingdom regionally on server 42, predominantly together with the German-speaking and international groups based there. After initial difficulties due to other dominant groups with high targets for the regional server 42, the Askanians could establish themselves as the dominant power.

In a global political context, the Askanians rejected the received military alliance requests of other groups right from wave 1. On the one hand, there was no regional basis for partnerships with groups and alliances, some of which were far away. On the other hand, the Askanians deliberately reject the formation of grand alliances, which fight only for war, thus destroying the game enjoyment of many players.

To not affect the current global conflict of the two great alliances Bloody Pain (BP) and United Siberian Host (USH), the Askanian Kingdom has signed a non-aggression pact with both factions that is still effective. This gave both factions the certainty that they did not have to fear any interference from the Askanians. Until now, all parties have agreed to the agreement.

Since the beginning of wave 1, the Askanian Kingdom has been concentrating mainly on expanding infrastructure and safeguarding its own region, negotiating of trade agreements for regional raw materials, and cultivating diplomatic relations to get to know its neighbors better.

The Askanian Kingdom has so far only been militarily active against the group of Roasted Ducks and its allies (Ducks Are Cooked), who had originally claimed the territiories of present-day Askanians. So far, other declarations of war on the part of the Askanians had not been necessary.

In the further course of wave 1, the Askanians observed with great concern the growing influence of the two grand alliances on the rest of the player community. More and more groups in LiF:MMO saw and see themselves forced to join one of the two sides because of the global conflict between Bloody Pain (BP) and United Siberian Host (USH). Through the diplomatic relations with other groups it became clear that numerous small groups were formally forced into the conflict between the two grand alliances, since otherwise they were threatened with destruction. Not only is this development of the global rearmament of both grand alliances evidently already destroying the game enjoyment of many players and small groups, it also destroys the influx of new players and the growth of new kingdoms, which would be important for a stable and healthy political development. Who wants to start a game in which he is merely the plaything of two great powers.

Completely surprising for the diplomatic staff of the Askanians, the United Siberian Host (USH) turned to the Askanian Kingdom in the course of round 3 of wave 1 and asked:

"We are calling for the end of the war of Askanians against the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC), so they can fight together with the United Siberian Host (USH) against Bloody Pain (BP)."

As the coalition of the United Siberian Host (USH) and the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC) against Bloody Pain (BP) raised the fear of a one-sided destabilization of the power relations of the two grand alliances, the request of the United Siberian Host (USH) was rejected by the Askanians. The Askanian Kingdom just offered to limit the attacks against the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC) to certain regions under certain conditions. However, the United Siberian Host (USH) did not pursue this offer of the Askanians.

A further important reason why the Askanians rejected United Siberian Host's (USH) request for peace with the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC) was also that on the part of the Askanian Kingdom the enmity to Roasted Ducks and thus to the entire Ducks Are Cooked (DAC) has already been so deeply rooted in the people of the Askanians, that this hostility will be carried on by the Askanians in openBeta. This is where the Askanians see an important aspect of their role play (RP).

In round 4 of wave 1, the diplomatic staff of the Askanians has now been informed by the United Siberian Host (USH) that the enemy of the Askanians, the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC), has been integrated into their grand alliance as a vassal and so the arms race of the two grand alliances has come to a new peak. The question of how to deal with the non-attacking pact, which was concluded with both grand alliances, now became important for the Askanians. One of the pact partners, in this case the United Siberian Host (USH), is now allied with the enemy of the Askanian Kingdom. In principle, one might consider this a break of the pact by the United Siberian Host (USH) against the Askanian Kingdom. The Askanians wonder which reaction the United Siberian Host (USH) expected after the inclusion of the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC) in their grand alliance or if it has been thought of at all?

In addition to the Askanian Kingdom and a few smaller groups, which are far away from the global battle, there are now only two grand alliances that dominate the game in LiF:MMO. It is very doubtful that this kind of mass destruction and global warfare strategy is beneficial for the overall development of LiF:MMO. The current number of players in LiF:MMO backs this assumption (formerly about 1300 players, currently less than 250 players who are online at the same time). From the point of view of the Askanians, this development has a detrimental effect on many players, especially if they have a more PvE and RP oriented style.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

The reaction of the Askanian Kingdom to the inclusion of the Ducks Are Cooked (DAC) in the United Siberian Host (USH) did not hold off. In order to be as far as possible from the global drama of the two grand alliances, the Askanian Kingdom decided for a clearly defined and goal-oriented support pact with the opposite side of the United Siberian Host (USH), the Bloody Pain (BP). In this pact, it was unambiguously defined that support from the Askanian Kingdom for the grand alliance Bloody Pain (BP) will be granted in the fight against the Askanian enemy Ducks Are Cooked (DAC), as long as DAC is involved in the global warfare on side of the United Siberian Host (USH). An extension to other targets or war opponents, in particular the United Siberian Host (USH), was expressly excluded, unless the latter denounced the non-aggression pact with the Askanian Kingdom, or broke it through attacks against Askanian institutions or forces. Concerning the Askanian Kingdom, the non-aggression pact with Bloody Pain (BP) and the United Siberian Host (USH) remains effective.

The future will show how this forced tragedy will continue. In any case, the Askanian Kingdom will continue to maintain its independent position as far as possible, and will re-position it only in case of global one-sided destabilization of the game. Basically it depends on decisions and reason of the leading players of Bloody Pain (BP) and the United Siberian Host (USH) how LiF:MMO will develop in the future. Does it degrade into a large PvP-Zerg like so many other MMO or is the community able to turn the helm and make LiF:MMO something unique, in which everyone will have their joy.

Conclusion from the point of view of the Askanians

Since the Askanian Kingdom itself has already reached a considerable size and stability in LiF:MMO, it basically needn't worry about the current development. However, we all want a lot of game enjoyment in LiF:MMO and a big community and so we would like to sharpen the view of everyone for the future. Big kingdoms and alliances are a great thing and there is nothing against it as long as they do not dominate globally and inhibit the regional overall growth. We would like to see a lot more big kingdoms in LiF:MMO that would act regionally and supra-regionally but would not dominate globally.

[Dragodor]

We would like to see a lot more big kingdoms in LiF:MMO that would act regionally and supra-regionally but would not dominate globally.

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(Please note: Names are invented. Similarities to existing guilds are absolutely random and not intended.)

[Sharana]

Personal opinion:

I really don't know why so many players don't know what they buy into. I backed LiF exactly for the promised global politics, economy and open world - I was never offered RP world with "many small Kingdoms happily living together" - Bobik mentioned RP MMO server in the far future when the game is done and the main server is kicking.
Also I'm amazed on the latest community reactions - they never heard about the instanced battles, 3:1 ratio and stuff like that. So to answer the question asked in the open letter - let me quote Bobik from 2014:

It seems like Life is Feudal will make it possible for players to create huge empires that could potentially crush the ambitions of individuals or small guilds. What sort of protection do you offer to such groups, if any? Do you have any checks to prevent one empire from crushing all their enemies underfoot mercilessly?

Bobik: I believe there is no need for such regulations, because they will restrict a true global politics sandbox freedom. As a veteran of many global politics games with assets destruction (Shadowbane, Darkfall, EvE) I have seen numerous times a huge alliances to rise, only to be crumbled by similarly sized alliances that were created by other players to counter that “zerg”. Or such alliances crumbled under their own weight because of the human nature, where many subordinates are trying to pursue their own goals inside that alliance.

We plan to have a certain participants cap in our battle system, so guild battles could not have more than let’s say 1:3 odds. So if that smaller guild is a real bunch of very skilled and organized players, then they will be able to hold their guild monument untouched on a global politics map.
http://www.mmogames.com/gamearticles/li ... -piskunov/

Now on the current situation:
First of all it's CBT and the game has to be tested before OBT. The current biggest alliance were preparing for years in YO. Also without a war everyone will be totally bored and there will be no testing of the war mechanics. And I can assure you both sides found countless exploits thanks to the war.
Other then that the players amount dropping has nothing to do with the war and the big alliances - I can assure you. The same alliances made big part of the population and they lost tons of players as well. The reason are the delays, the slow progress, the lack of endgame and the very unstable servers preventing even YO scale battles.

I don't agree that big alliances go all over the map and force people to join them. That happens near their lands and that's just natural - they need to secure the area around them. It's just the fact that there are no other big guilds powerful enough to create other alliances as 3rd pole. The small ones don't really play now, because they don't want to grind before a wipe while the realists knew there will be about 6 CBT testruns and there is no fear of wipe "soon" they didn't limit themself.

About the growing numbers of the alliances consuming everything - that comes from not knowing details that are internal stuff and are hard to know for "outsiders". BP for example didn't really "consume" MMO guilds - the number increase came from improved comms, increased activity thanks to the war and the prolonged beta wave. Back in December (testrun 1) the numbers were the same and also the same main guilds in BP, new ones didn’t join since then - one even left. Only some joined VK as vassals from collapsed other alliance that was aiming for the same part of the map (north west).
The December wave seemed even and it was even going very badly for BP (USH was just more "integrated", but they speak just 1 language after all, not many). During the 2 months break the communication and command structure was reworked from the ground up and on the 2nd testrun the same guilds and players rallied 70-80 players to raid Arkona (about 40 with the USH reinforcements). Next testrun (3) some more of the vassals just bought into the MMO (as it became clear OBT is not really soon) and BP got 120-30 players for the failed due to ping JH. And that’s it - that was the peak But those numbers didn’t come from “assimilating” half the MMO map - they came mainly outside of the MMO with more players already part of it buying in as it became obvious CBT will be long and why miss it waiting for OBT.

USH on the other hand didn’t grow much as their most active part joined from the start and they probably don’t have vassal guilds from YO to buy in and join them. Their numbers even went lower due to inactivity (valid for both sides, but not so noticeable for BP because of the larger playerbase). DAC and BP have bad history from YO and war at some point was imminent, especially with DAC declaring war to BP earlier, but “in YO only” which is more then funny .
Some of the current DAC members were indeed ready to join USH as vassals (for protection from BP) in the past before wave 1, the talks were advancing, but they decided to form DAC instead and not be someone’s vassals which is of course the better road to take. Yes yes, the new USH leadership now will deny such talk were advancing in the past, because of the current political situation. But BP-USH relations were much warmer before the CBT started, so the exchange of info and future plans was much deeper. Now DAC created the impression that they are not winning their local war in 42 and are even moving out - wanting “to test other climates”. Can’t be hard for outside observer to question such theory, I’m sure no one would believe if BP was showing signs of moving away from 37 to test other climates during war while saying they are winning the regional war for server 37

So they don’t have other options then to work with USH, because they are at war with both AS for 42 and BP on global level. If it’s permanent alliance (most likely) or till they get stronger is to be seen. If they are really vassals under USH - who knows. But no matter what it will be denied ofc - who wants to admit stuff like that? Don’t you know Wikileaks - diplomats don’t tell their peasants what the real deals are or what are they even talking about that. Same in the game - most members are on the need to know basis and that’s absolutely normal. On the other hand that can be USH diplomats bluff trying to “intimidate” by presenting DAC not as their war allies, but as more integrated part. So yet again - who knows

No one can predict what will happen in OBT - IMO big alliances can’t control the entire map. Even USH will probably not be so spread trying to achieve global presence - not only because they are not supposed to be able to achieve it with their numbers (in a healthy game design ofc), but because of the IBs mechanics where they need to visit the defenders/attackers city to sign in which was expected and the way to go ofc. So each alliance will control their part of the map and wouldn’t be bothered with others outside of those zones unless they are actively working against them. Then with time the current alliances will fall apart (be it due to boredom, internal problems or a lost war) and new ones will form. That’s a political sandbox after all - no empire is permanent and there will be no vacuum after it collapses.

Having just 2 sides is not a big deal for now - no one else can challenge them anyway during OBT due to lack of experience, so they will have their war. It’s about what happens after that war as no matter of the ending the political scene will look quite different and that will be the right time for “new faces” to rise in power.

[Davis105]

If one of the Askanian members could contact me that speaks english, I'd love to have a discussion on your open letter.

Regards,

Sigmund Vaskrson.

[Zohann]

A comment from USH:

The position of USH towars Askaniers was the following:

A USH representative was contacted by an Askanier representative to make a diplomatic contact, as well as to establish a non-agression pact between both sides. That was long before the DAC joined the coalition of USH, free guilds and other people against the BP and even long before there were even talks or ideas about that.

As DAC representative said lately, they were contacted by BP leaders with a proposal to join the BP against the "Russian horde". They relied on the fact, that there were large tensions between DAC members and USH members back from YO. Being rejected with that, the BPs stated that "we can make peace with Russkies at any time and than just focus on you"( ). The DAC, first trying to stay away from the conflict, like Askaniers, were "a bit" annoyed by such arrogance and decided to enter the conflict on the USH side. This is how the coalition was created.

As for the Askaniers, we have learnt that they had clashes with DAC members before the DAC joined the coalition. As our future coalition obviously demanded to have all military attention on BP, both sides (Askaniers and DAC) were asked on how to stop all military activities. Both sides said, that they actually have nothing against each other generally, just some salt, which does not matter, so both, i repeat, actually had nothing against each other.

The Askanier's additional demand was that the DAC moved away their bases from their "zone of influence", which is the North Eastern Part of the Northern Peninsula. For sure, the DAC, being a large and a considerable force, would have never accepted forced moving. But the thing is that no such demands were even required, as DAC already had long before decided to move to the large island to the east of the central peninsula for their own reasons, mainly, because of resources, as i remember it. They moved all their main bases there, leaving all their bases on the northern peninsula empty, which no one intended to just demolish for nothing, as building them was time consuming actually, so why they should demolish them?

Everything was ready to settle a peace, but the Askaniers were several times reported for training with the BP, playing with them against DAC members on YO, so their affiliations with BP were pretty much evident and that is why the hostilities continued, yet the USH and the DAC had a coalition against the BP, meaning that we wage wars together only against BP and dont interfere into one's regional conflicts, that means that the USH conducts no hostilities against the Askanier. As for example, all the USH members are authorized only to lead joined operations against the BP, while regional conflicts are meant to be solved solely. Also, all regional conflicts are meant to be solved in any way asap, as all members of the coalition against the BP are authorized not to have any wars against anyone until the conflict with the BP is solved. Yet still some members of the coalition, like DAC, already had conflicts on stage of joining, that is why the process of settling the conflict between them and Askaniers was on the agenda. Due to the suspicious behaviour of the Askaniers and their affiliations with BP, the process was frozen, and the hostilities between both sides continued. Even at this moment there were no hostilities at all on the USH side against the Askaniers.

Before the Askaniers made their coalition with BP against DAC, the diplomatic situation was the following: the USH and the DAC are allies against BP. As Askaniers are not taking part in the conflict on the side of the enemy against any member of the alliance, the conflict retains "regional status" and does not require members of coalition to take part in the conflict.

After the Askaniers made their coalition with the BP against DAC, the diplomatic situation is following: the USH and the DAC are allies against the BP. The Askaniers are from now on taking part in the conflict on the side of the target of the coalition, since they decided to ally with the target of the coalition against the member of the coalition against this target, which is BP. The conflict loses its regional status and from now on allows full USH, DAC and other members of the coalition' attention. That automatically draws Askaniers into the global conflict, nullifies the non-agression pact between them and the USH and brings both into a state of war.

If the Askanier side wishes to settle that matter, everyone is ready for that, but as the Askaniers noted already, they have already made their decision to fight.

For the conclusion I can say, that everyone is free to make his own choice, which side to take, be peaceful or agressive, be independent or be a minor partner. There is no "bad" or "good" choice. The only thing is - the consequences of your choice. When you affiliate with someones enemy, you lose his trust. Maybe youve lost trust of USH because they have allied with DAC, but you should have noted that USH made everything they could to settle the peace between you, as USH had nothing against you. You have lost trust of USH when you have trained and played with BP against the DAC, instead of coninuing your independent actions. Yet, the USH have not included you into the enemy list and continued on talking with you on how your conflict can be settled. All your demands were met, though not because YOU have demanded them, but just because your interests and the interests of the DAC proved to be not clashing actually at all. They moved from you, and the bases which were left were not intended to be destroyed on this wayve, but were not going to be built on the OBT, as the DAC already made it clear, that they are moving away.

But I dont know, what the BP did and tell you, probably, not something true and good, as usual, so you have decided to ally with them. As you have told, you were doing quite fine against the DAC yourselves, so what was the point in the coalition with the BP?

From the USH side, having good experience in dealing with BP and knowing their ways, we have just concluded that you, as many other guilds, who actually have no personal interest in taking part in this war, who have nothing against the USH personally, were lured into this war. That means that we shall fight each other, though from our own side, even my personal side, I have nothing against you at all. Like with many those folks who fight alongside BP, against whom we are forced to fight because of BP "politics".

As for Sharana's words about DAC being USH vassals, that is just his another try to insult DAC in the face of the community, which has no grounds at all.

You cannot expect a large DAC PVP-oriented community to become someones's "vassal', as it is clear from the game experience, that only a group of max 10 people with RP/PVE inclinations may accept such thing. A 10-mangroup of people, who think themselves a PVP-guild, would never allow someone to become their superior. They are ready to loose everything, die 100 times, but that would actually lead them only to join the side of the enemy of the "vassalizer". That is actually how DAC allied with the USH, as the BP was too self-confident in thinking that they can vassalize the DAC with their threats.

As for his allegations that DAC moved because they are frightened, you can read the statement above. Such large groups like DAC would never be forced to move anywhere. The PVP guy would rather burn his computer, than let someone to force him to do such thing. It is also funny, as the BP are also considerring to move somewhere else on the OBT, as they have low supply of strategically important flax because of long winters, so they have to take it from farmer claims from the south, which are constantly raided, which is totally inconvinient. Yet, there is no good spot for them right now, as all the juicy spots are already occupied.

As for his other statements, you dont need just to imagine anything, but just place other names. For example, in the case with BP ally Daughters of Oudeen:

So they don’t have other options then to work with BP, because they are at war with the whole USH on global level. If it’s permanent alliance (most likely) or till they get stronger is to be seen. If they are really vassals under BP- who knows. But no matter what it will be denied ofc - who wants to admit stuff like that? Don’t you know Wikileaks - diplomats don’t tell their peasants what the real deals are or what are they even talking about that. Same in the game - most members are on the need to know basis and that’s absolutely normal. On the other hand that can be BP diplomats bluff trying to “intimidate” by presenting Daughters of Oudeen not as their war allies, but as more integrated part. So yet again - who knows.

Also I would like to underline, that the USH was created as the coalition against the BP growing force. USH founding members were fighting each other like hell, throwing lots of shit against each other in chats and etc. Yet when we learnt about BP and their imperialistic ambitions, we decided, that there is no future for us in the game, if we dont oppose them together, or else we are done, and no ambitions, interest and etc will matter. That means, that if there was no BP, we would certainly continued to slaughter each other). That is our game mentality) And you cant do anything about that. There were lots of "individuals" who thought that they can unite every single Russian under their banners, but this guys were always left in the dirt.

The position of our bases purely indicates, that each USH member is having his own interests and wants to have his own sphere of influence in the game. It was never intended to build a large joint well-defended raid base, like someone else did, because we were never focusing on large scale wars. Instead, our postions were dictated by the trade factors to control the key water trade routes and to secure income from them for every single USH member in his own zone, once trade is implemented.

But some other people were preparing to wage a full-scale war on other people, that is why they settled close each other even before their were any roots for the war, ready to repell the counter-attacks and pursuing only military interest, not economical or anything like that, though we placed the economical factor higher than the military one. But that is the choice of this people. Everyone makes his own choice.

We dont want the game world to split into two parts. It is not the USH who is trying to win with "numbers", luring more and more neutrals into their ranks to use them as the shield against the USH. They call it politics, and it seems that the BP King is not hiding his intentions anymore. He already proclaimed himslef a King awhile ago. But his main goal was always to create an Empire. Yes, he accepts the possibility of neutrals existence, but only those, who are jointly twice as less powerfull than his own empire in order to have control on them. We, the USH, will do everything to ruin his plans. We want lots of independent communities, tons of them, because only that can make the game really lively. Even if we fail, and the self-proclaimed Emperor will succeed in luring everyone against the coalition, which is the only force which stands between the self-proclaimed King and his desired Empire, as Sharans says, there will be others, who will succeed!

[Mahtafa]

Bravo papa zohan bravo

[Rikkarth]

I love how everyone who talks about DAC doesn't have a clue of what you are talking about.

I also love on how DAC is "running from everyone and everything" but in fact we're not really and again you have no clue what you are talking about.

I love how DAC "is the weak side" but Aska's are the ones running to BP calling for help.

Underestimate us and you will be an open candidate to be surprised.

We don't often answer in public but made an exeption this time.

Final message:

"You can breathe. You can blink. You can cry. Hell, you're all gonna be doing that."

P.S. Thanks for all the free info you guys provided, showing DAC the current situation of your weak Intel.

[Jerre88]

I don't post often, don't like it.
But what I dislike more is being called a roasted duck...

From now on I shall name you ass candy.
For the record that's how we call these in flemish:


This will get removed most likely, I just hope someone has a good laugh with it anyway.

cheers

[Rikkarth]

It's ok Jerr, people usually do this open letters when they are afraid.

[Greatmido]

did i ever said that i am king zohan? !!!

[Sharana]

That was long before the DAC joined the coalition of USH

Well the rules of USH say that only russian speaking guilds can join USH as members while russian speaking guilds are allowed to have foreign vassals. There is huge difference between USH signed defensive pact with DAC and DAC JOINED USH.
They are not in the members list, so what can one guess based on your own rules?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Nj ... K94P8/edit

DAC already had long before decided to move to the large island to the east of the central peninsula for their own reasons, mainly, because of resources, as i remember it. They moved all their main bases there, leaving all their bases on the northern peninsula empty, which no one intended to just demolish for nothing, as building them was time consuming actually, so why they should demolish them?

They moved from you, and the bases which were left were not intended to be destroyed on this wayve, but were not going to be built on the OBT, as the DAC already made it clear, that they are moving away.

Well all you make is just say in straight text that DAC moved away from 42 while they claim they didn't move at all. You need 1 version, not contradict each other

It is also funny, as the BP are also considerring to move somewhere else on the OBT, as they have low supply of strategically important flax because of long winters, so they have to take it from farmer claims from the south, which are constantly raided, which is totally inconvenient. Yet, there is no good spot for them right now, as all the juicy spots are already occupied.

It's interesting that I'm not aware of such plans, but who know - you might know better then BP itself But even then saying good spots are occupied implies BP can't take "a good spot" with force which already sounds interesting at the very least ))

Also I would like to underline, that the USH was created as the coalition against the BP growing force. USH founding members were fighting each other like hell, throwing lots of shit against each other in chats and etc. Yet when we learnt about BP and their imperialistic ambitions, we decided, that there is no future for us in the game, if we dont oppose them together, or else we are done, and no ambitions, interest and etc will matter.

Well USH started exactly as Russian alliance against the "westerners", not BP only. Also your members like to call us "пиндосы" (russian mocking word for americans) while only small percent of BP are americans. The answer to why was - well, westerners have one face. Even called SoO national traitors after all for playing with the "westerners".

Now of course when numbers are needed USH can be friends with another westerners, it's understandable

We want lots of independent communities, tons of them, because only that can make the game really lively. Even if we fail, and the self-proclaimed Emperor will succeed in luring everyone against the coalition, which is the only force which stands between the self-proclaimed King and his desired Empire, as Sharans says, there will be others, who will succeed!

How noble, let's just unite everyone we can against BP claiming that's what they do vs USH. Sounds legit

[Mahtafa]

it says that on your banner mido me old lad

[Gastenns]

[Gastenns]

Speaking just for Vanirs and our family of guilds I can say were glad The Blood Pact has choosen to partner with Askanier in their war and our war with DAC and recognize that it is limited to that per our agreement. Im glad these sort of conflicts are getting so much attention it will mean we are going to have some fiery pvp.
On a side note we are also glad to be fighting USH in general its been some fun fights and some impressive monologues.

[MadMike]

The DAC, first trying to stay away from the conflict, like Askaniers, were "a bit" annoyed by such arrogance and decided to enter the conflict on the USH side. This is how the coalition was created.

While continuing their war against Askanier DAC tried to become a global player. DAC was just raiding with low numbers on Askanier which also happened as a "Global player".

As for the Askaniers, we have learnt that they had clashes with DAC members before the DAC joined the coalition. As our future coalition obviously demanded to have all military attention on BP, both sides (Askaniers and DAC) were asked on how to stop all military activities. Both sides said, that they actually have nothing against each other generally, just some salt, which does not matter, so both, i repeat, actually had nothing against each other.

Negative ghostrider. DAC is and will be our natural enemy and I guess DAC agrees to that

The Askanier's additional demand was that the DAC moved away their bases from their "zone of influence", which is the North Eastern Part of the Northern Peninsula. For sure, the DAC, being a large and a considerable force, would have never accepted forced moving.

But the thing is that no such demands were even required, as DAC already had long before decided to move to the large island to the east of the central peninsula for their own reasons, mainly, because of resources, as i remember it. They moved all their main bases there, leaving all their bases on the northern peninsula empty, which no one intended to just demolish for nothing, as building them was time consuming actually, so why they should demolish them?

There was an offer to leave DAC alone after they entirely left the area, yadi yadi. Well this never happened. DAC relocated to 28 before this offer was made. DAN stayed in the area. Their base was used by DAC. USH tried to moderate in that confict. We waited I guess 3 weeks with no response of DAC. Then we rejected the offer.

Everything was ready to settle a peace, but the Askaniers were several times reported for training with the BP, playing with them against DAC members on YO, so their affiliations with BP were pretty much evident and that is why the hostilities continued, yet the USH and the DAC had a coalition against the BP, meaning that we wage wars together only against BP and dont interfer into one's regional conflicts, that means that the USH conducts no hostilities against the Askanier.

We never promised peace not even after 20 pints of good german beer on the Octoberfest. It's a fairy tale. Btw YO politics should never interfer MMO politics.

Due to the suspicious behaviour of the Askaniers and their affiliations with BP, the process was frozen, and the hostilities between both sides continued. Even at this moment there were no hostilities at all on the USH side against the Askaniers.

Well if one group trains will several members of another group - gonna ask you as an independant reader: Is that an affliation? Well in this case it makes perfect sense that USH rejected our training offer. We also trained with more not specifically named groups for the have of a fun. And to keep the NAP with the Askanier by USH is all right.

After the Askaniers made their coalition with the BP against DAC, the diplomatic situation is following: the USH and the DAC are allies against the BP. The Askaniers are from now on taking part in the conflict on the side of the target of the coalition, since they decided to ally with the target of the coalition against the member of the coalition against this target, which is BP. The conflict loses its regional status and from now on allows full USH, DAC and other members of the coalition' attention. That automatically draws Askaniers into the global conflict, nullifies the non-agression pact between them and the USH and brings both into a state of war.

From my point of view the conflict for Askanier did not went global. DAC was looking for shelter after leaving 42 mostly. They try to leave a local war and join the global one and think nothin ever happened with Askanier. Seriously? A war is a war - not ended just relocated. 42 vs 28. Why do you think Zohan that we want a global war? You started an alliance with DAC knowing that we are at war with them - isn't that suspicious? We never interacted against you or out of the area against any other group but DAC & fiends. The other reason for DAC but leaving the battlefield is they want to reform all their forces why are spread over the map right now.

If the Askanier side wishes to settle that matter, everyone is ready for that, but as the Askaniers noted already, they have already made their decision to fight.

Come on. Our discussion is three days down the road, but I'll help you to remind. I said we do not break our NAP towards you. We gave you no reason to do so aswell.

But I dont know, what the BP did tell you, probably, not something true and good, as usual, so you have decided to ally with them. As you have told, you were doing quite fine against the DAC yourselves, so what was the point in the coalition with the BP?

I told you on steam. Should I help out again? To be honest no, since a private message is a private message to me.


Finally and to cut a long story short I want to outline that our kingdom stay local as long as we are not forced into anything else. I afraid your junior partner (DAC) in your alliance tries to push you towards us. Well it's up to you to keep your word towards us (NAP)or not but don't tell us we

did.

Yours
MadMike, founder & head of diplomacy Askanier

[Rikkarth]

I'm just going to speak in memes now.

[Mahtafa]

[RegnarofAberon]

omg im loving this

i see asscandy claims they have destroyed something in dac

i wonder when that has happened as i recall asscandy has lost 2 bases to aberon and there main base got trebbed back to the stone age only reason it dident get finished was lag ...but i love the attention free PR

[Rikkarth]

[Bafflegor]

[Greymore_Dunlin]

The truth: fullscreen and enjoy

[Nauth]

Voting for best short film of 2017, just fucking hilarious

[Rikkarth]

[Kontakt]

Now the time has come! Thx to USH ... Just stupid!